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Post by Mumsey on Jan 21, 2023 8:42:39 GMT -5
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Post by martywny on Jan 21, 2023 10:05:38 GMT -5
I guess here's the answer! At least we aren't eating the sick birds! The trend toward 'single-sourcing' will surely lead to our demise. When you have a hundred million of the same kind of bird, hog, cow, whatever, confined to the smallest possible area, eating the same food, you are designing for disaster. Government rewards agribusiness because it is easy to control and because large companies are able to pay larger bribes make larger political contributions. An occurrence of mad cow disease, swine flu, or bird flu is now able to decimate millions of animals at a time. When you have politicians mandating that natural gas will be eliminated in favor of electricity, you are introducing another single point of failure. When people from other countries can hack into our computer systems to take down a grid or the airlines, they can also do the same to our food supply because it is all online. When your medication is produced in a communist country, where are we if they decide to stop producing it? Years ago, if a farmer had a barn fire and lost the dairy herd, it had little impact on the market because that was only 30 cows out of a million or so in the region. Same with eggs, same with pork, same with plant crops. It's almost comical to listen to government-sponsored TV commercials touting diversity when government is trying to remove diversity from our food and energy supplies. Bigger is not always better, think about it next time you're number 27 in line on the phone with customer service. Read about the folks living near North Carolina hog farms who suffered for years because they were poor and hog farms were large and made lots of money. I know that members of this group suffer being in close proximity to large agribusiness operations. Unless people can force change, maybe in the courts, this will not stop until there are only two or three “farms” producing everything. When one fails for whatever reason, read about the Irish potato famine to see what will happen next. It’s not good. We are seeing the warning signs. I am not a doomsday advocate but I can read the writing on the wall. As Henry Kissinger stated, “Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control the world.” Yeah, I like being able to buy fresh tomatoes in the winter, but at what cost?
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Post by Mumsey on Jan 21, 2023 11:22:46 GMT -5
Yeah, and now the powers that be want to outlaw gas kitchen stoves........Just where is all the electricity going to come from, not even enough to power all the electric vehicles that are supposed to be so great. No doubt they are, but here there is no where to charge them.
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Post by martywny on Jan 21, 2023 12:25:22 GMT -5
Yeah, and now the powers that be want to outlaw gas kitchen stoves I posted this on Facebook this morning. BUFFALO, N.Y. — The Erie County Medical Examiner's office has confirmed three more blizzard-related deaths, bringing the total number of deaths because of the storm to 47... I wonder what it would have been if we didn't have natural gas.
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Post by desertwoman on Jan 21, 2023 13:06:53 GMT -5
I wonder what it would have been if we didn't have natural gas. During those intense California rains last couple of weeks, my sister was without power for 48 hours. Granted, it's California Central Coast and doesn't get the frigid temps that many of us get, so heat wasn't really an issue. And extra sweater or blanket was enough. However, her natural gas heating (as ours) is dependent on electricity to run. Older gas heating operates without electricity needed (think wall heaters or those big in-floor grates) . She would not have been able to cook anything, though, without her gas stove. Even with electronic ignition, the burners can be lit with a match (oven , however is dependent on its electronic parts to turn on). Yeah, and now the powers that be want to outlaw gas kitchen stoves What the report said was that the gas stoves should be made safer and if that can't be achieved then they should be outlawed. Certain politicos ran with it to say gas stove need to be outlawed. The thing with making them safer is that we do lose certain conveniences.... like older gas ovens have pilot lights and can be used without the need for electricity. Newer gas stoves no longer have pilot lights, (safer) but can't be run without electricity to light the oven.
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Post by pepperhead212 on Jan 21, 2023 19:41:31 GMT -5
My smaller oven has an old pilot light in it, but the larger convection oven (that one I bake all those cookies in, for the holidays!) has a glow coil, like my dryer. Nothing like that slightly warm over with the pilot light for melting chocolate and/or butter!
However, we often hear about carbon monoxide poisoning when people, who have these old ovens, thus can run them in an electrical outage, run them with the door open, for heat. Not a good thing to do. I have a CO detector in my kitchen, which never goes off with just normal cooking, but that's not normal.
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Post by centralilrookie on Jan 21, 2023 20:27:20 GMT -5
Since late May when Mumsey, revealed the handbag repurposed from a feed sack I’ve been wanting one for sweetheart. Quite a few times I tried to coax mom into making one for me with no luck. Long story short I took the chance and asked Mumsey, if she would do it and she said yes! It arrived in the mail yesterday and sweetheart and I are tickled!! Thank you Mumsey,!! Today we attended the graveside service for sweetheart’s step mom. We’re lucky that mother nature cooperated and all went well. After a meal at a local eatery we have returned home to watch football. It’s been a good day….
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Post by gardendmpls on Jan 21, 2023 23:51:55 GMT -5
Funny thing is, there is no real scientific study that shows that gas stoves are giving off deadly chemicals that cause asthma. What the ban all fossil fuels people who started this round of trying to ban stoves did was cite reports saying poor people suffer more from asthma and that poor people are more likely to have gas stoves, ergo, the stoves cause the asthma. This brings to mind a science caveat, "correlation does not imply causation". Of course, asthma has been associated with cockroaches, also found in greater numbers in poor areas. Haven't seen anyone trying to ban cockroaches . Even an organization that is trying to get rid of gas stoves and other users of fossil fuels could not find any evidence, much as they would like to.
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Post by emmsmommy on Jan 22, 2023 16:01:31 GMT -5
We came back from the funeral services for our friend, picked up kiddo and had about 4 hours of normalcy before kiddo started vomiting. Newer realized how lucky I am that kiddo has only vomited a handful of times besides the normal infant spit-ups as I lost count after the seventh time. Thankfully the last instance was at 4:30 this morning and we both managed to catch a few hours of sleep afterwards. She's still sleeping on and off and managing to eat a little but I've already decided to keep her home tomorrow. We managed to accumulate three loads of laundry during the night and I've been tending to that between her naps. So the onion planting has been put off for at least another day and hopefully will be done by the end of the week.
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Post by emmsmommy on Jan 22, 2023 16:20:12 GMT -5
About gas cook stoves, we're in a region where they're pretty prevalent and honestly I wouldn't want to give mine up. When the electric is off we can light the burners with a match and still be able to cook meals. Also I believe electric stoves operate on 220v (or the older ones I've been around did) and would require an additional outlet to be installed. We already have cases of CO poisonings and deaths during every major electrical outtage from people bringing their gas grills inside and a so-called ban would only increase the instances. Now I know the objective is to make the gas stoves safer, but what about the millions of homes using older appliances? Would the government be offering an incentive similar to the "cash for clunkers" program in which participants would be given a cash incentive for ditching their old stoves? Furthermore who would be the enforcing agency in charge of making sure that all households are in compliance? Now if we were trying to ban the use of the old radiant-type open-flame heaters which are still widely in use in older homes here, I'd be all for that. My grandma's house had one in the bathroom and thankfully she knew to take her oxygen off before entering but I always worried that the tail of her gown would get too close one day.
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Post by Mumsey on Jan 22, 2023 17:59:06 GMT -5
cash incentive for ditching their old stoves I heard it was $850. I can't imagine we would be forced to change to electric. Part of the issue is with poor ventilation of gas stoves, i.e. exhaust fans above the stove. Or so they say.
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Post by gardendmpls on Jan 23, 2023 0:18:01 GMT -5
My Chambers stove, circa 1950, is far from being a clunker. It is super insulated (motto-"Cooks with half the gas"). I can turn it off two or three hours before eating and it is still boiling hot when opened. It has 3 regular and one recessed burner, the recessed one containing a pot, with a lock on lid for lifting, that acted as a crock pot before there were electric crock pots. It has a built in griddle on the top that lifts with a turn of a handle to reveal a grill that is very accessable, unlike those ones you have to almost crawl under the stove to reach. It has a tall back with a light that shines down on the burners and a top that is great for putting loaves of bread or other things to keep warm. After hurricane Sandy, when electricity was out for a long time and temps had dropped, it kept the front of the house warm and our food cooked. When I checked several years ago, a working model was selling for $6,000. No way they can give me a dollar incentive to give up this gem.
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Post by gardendmpls on Jan 23, 2023 0:22:10 GMT -5
Part of the issue is with poor ventilation of gas stoves, i.e. exhaust fans above the stove. Or so they say. Actually, the issue is there is a movement of people who want to eliminate fossil fuel use as quickly as possible, and it doesn't matter to them whether the information they use has any truth to it or whether people are harmed or whether it can be done in a better way. To them their ends justify any means they come up with.
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Post by claude on Jan 23, 2023 10:01:31 GMT -5
My sister started raising some meat birds along w her eggears. The meat birds grew more than twice as fast as the eggars. Not only that but (15wks later) close to butchering they were so darn top heavy they could barely walk…made me think twice.
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Post by claude on Jan 23, 2023 10:57:30 GMT -5
Mumsey…so haven’t they known the dangers for years? It feels like another made up culture war with a slim basis on ‘fact’ … I love cooking on a gas stove. If I needed to replace my electric ones it would be a consideration. I rem a neighbor switching to gas heat for the savings in the early 80’s the big selling point was gas vs oil savings and she saved almost a grand heating expense that first year. My concern is the pipelines running thru residential areas causing explosions like in Mass a few years ago. I mean besides the fracking involved to harvest it.
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