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Post by claude on Apr 26, 2015 20:19:10 GMT -5
im more concerned with the dogs bringing in ticks and fleas..or getting heart worm ..I lost a dog to heart worm years ago. Ive had Lyme 3 X...and that's no picnic..thankfully it was treated early on. I would love a way to treat them effectively without all these chemicals.
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Post by claude on Apr 26, 2015 20:26:45 GMT -5
The thing with Lyme is that. The tick has to be attached for several hours to pass Lyme on to you..the tick can be so small that you can miss it. The new tick disease passes it immediately..and is fatal powassan. The people who have chronic Lyme don't usually get the bullseye rash and so the symptoms go untreated longer.
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Post by lilolpeapicker on Apr 26, 2015 20:39:55 GMT -5
If using the natural products first, I am asking, how do you know it is effective whether it be lyme or heartworm unless symptoms develop? I agree that the natural products would seem sensible....just how do you determine its effectiveness?
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Post by desertwoman on Apr 26, 2015 21:52:50 GMT -5
Pea- I didn't take you as being offensive at all. No problem. I just missed your reference. I was simply replying to your question from my point of view and experiences (and having missed the lyme connection), which wasn't about lyme disease at all! I've never had a dog, and my cats (or I) have never had ticks. Isn't human communication fascinating? I don't know about lyme disease so I don't know how it develops or how to determine the effectiveness of natural or other remedies. Sorry for the confusion.
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Post by James on Apr 26, 2015 23:44:05 GMT -5
Ticks..... around these parts we have what we call Wood Ticks. They get on the cattle and horses, also people. They seemed to hang out in the sagebrush areas. When we had the cows out on the farm they grazed in sagebrush pastures and the ticks found their way to them and the people who tended the cows. Every night at bedtime it was "Tick Inspection". Many times you would feel them crawling on ya, and get them off. Sometimes they would not be found until they had bitten you. Uggh. We would pull them off the animals when we saw them. Sometimes they would swell up with drawn blood to the size of a marble. I hated the darn things. Haven't heard of any Lime disease around here.
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Post by gakaren on Apr 27, 2015 0:03:05 GMT -5
For myself with ticks, if I'm going into an area where they may be (woods) I wear long pants, shoes/socks and long sleeves. I also rubberband my pant legs just above my shoes.
Our cats get the generic stuff like frontline....I have found one that seems to work better than some other generics....at TSC...their brand (I think). Costco has one for dogs that works good and is cheaper than frontline...but they quit carrying the one for cats! ???
Our cats go across the road into heavy woods & tall grass. I've picked as many at 6 at one time off one cat in particular....he sorta lives over there and comes home only to eat most of the summer!
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Post by ellenr on Apr 27, 2015 3:34:45 GMT -5
they list those ingredients bec some of those things happen to some of the animals.
Just like some drug effects happen to some of the people who take them.
Think about it: they KILL ticks. The chemicals that kill the ticks do not know the difference between a dog and a tick. Just a dog is bigger. Eventually our dogs and cats will develope responses to these toxins, only it takes years. So cancer etc takes years to show up, and it is unlikely people will trace it to the Frontline that they used. Nor as their child develops cancer from rolling the grass that the dog is in, or petting the dog , will that be traced to Frontline.
I was "lucky", my cat was one of the thousands that developed an immediate symptom. She went catatonic. Others have had seizures. lucky in that the symptom was immediate and I stopped using it. Perhaps the life-long illness she suffered from were due to that, altho they could also be due to the one vaccination that I foolishly gave her.
Do the research.
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Post by ellenr on Apr 27, 2015 4:59:11 GMT -5
the more I think about it, the more strange this is:
people who would not use toxins on their plants, would use them on their pets.
that is insane.
haven't people learned that there are consequences?
"37 Million Bees Dropped Dead After Farms In Ontario, Canada Sprayed Neonictinoids On Their GMO Crops" Do you believe Bayer when it tells you its insecticide is not killing bees? no? then why do you believe Frontline rec. from your vet?
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Post by datgirl on Apr 27, 2015 6:27:12 GMT -5
ellenr, that's what started my questioning the subject of tick control. I was researching and reading about the side effects of Frontline. We went to the vet and Kaner got his heartworm and other vaccines he was due for. I'm hoping the Bio-Essentials works like they say it does.
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Post by lilolpeapicker on Apr 27, 2015 10:47:41 GMT -5
Isn't human communication fascinating? That's why it's important to keep the lines of communication open and clear up any misunderstandings!
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Post by octave on Apr 27, 2015 13:01:14 GMT -5
I agree with ellenr on this. It seems strange to me that I would not spray pesticide on my plants, yet I'd allow a flea collar on my pet. Perhaps the truth is that animals should not be pets, and that they should not be sharing living quarters with humans, because as soon as a creature enters our homes we have this need to "sanitize" it. If we decide to forego medications, we must keep our pets inside--recluse in our homes, which is possibly the most unnatural environment for any animal (not including bed bugs ;) ).
I don't know how cats and dogs would do if people did not medically intervene (shots, pills, etc), but they have been living and reproducing for centuries... They did not get extinct for lack of preventive care...
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Post by gakaren on Apr 27, 2015 15:12:21 GMT -5
Just read an article earlier today (and don't remember where now) that the ticks were going to be worse this year. Seems the heavy snows insulated them instead of cold temps killing them off.
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Post by brownrexx on Apr 27, 2015 18:02:47 GMT -5
I don't know how cats and dogs would do if people did not medically intervene (shots, pills, etc), They would live, they just wouldn't live as long and they wouldn't be as healthy due to parasites and other things.
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Post by claude on Apr 27, 2015 21:29:23 GMT -5
While I agree with your basic thought, since I've had Lyme several times..my choice is simple. I can love and live with my animals while using something That keeps my home from becoming infested with fleas and ticks...or wind up with Lyme again....no thank you.
this is a new reply for Sunday the 22nd:
the dogs were out of the generic frontline. They haven't had the heart worm chewable since the end of March. ??? (some miscommunication with hubby). I did more research and I found something for fleas and ticks that uses some essential oils but the active ingredient is neem. I ordered some. You bathe the dogs and it lasts approx 2-3 weeks. i use neem on very difficult pest problems in my garden..like Lilly beetles..or chewing pests that simple methods do not work on..like flea beetles or bean beetles that other controls haven't worked with.
my dogs don't run thru fields or go for walks all the time..we mostly play inside the invisible fence area where grass is cut and bagged so although we do get fleas and ticks..exposure is limited.
The chewable for the heart worm is something that they will be staying on..this is effective up to 4 mo exposure as long as you keep them on it constantly for a year. Heartguard brand. flea collars don't work because of how they chew up and pull on collars. ill let you know about the shampoo's effectiveness. It's called theraneem shampoo from iherb.com
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Post by claude on Apr 27, 2015 21:32:57 GMT -5
The southern and western state have "rocky mountain spotted fever"
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