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Post by lilolpeapicker on Jul 6, 2015 9:00:04 GMT -5
Is it the soil that you use after growing them and what do you do with it? Does that mean you will have mushrooms growing where you don't want it? Mushrooms have cropped up in my lawn. How do I get rid of it? If I cut the lawn am I not spreading them around?
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Post by brownrexx on Jul 6, 2015 9:19:35 GMT -5
Seeing mushrooms in your lawn is not a bad thing. The part you see is just the "fruiting body" of an underground fungus that is happy with optimum conditions. Those conditions are cool and damp which is our weather lately.
Mushroom hyphae (the underground part) live on decaying matter like you would find in a healthy lawn. They contribute to the decomposition process that we want.
The mushroom itself is akin to a flower on one of our garden plants. You are not likely to be able to remove the underground portion but if you want to prevent the spread by spores from the above ground part, then you need to remove it right away before the gills open and release the spores to the wind. However your neighbors will probably not pick all of theirs right away to you will get new spores anyway. It's like trying to get rid of dandelions by picking all of yours. More seeds will still arrive on the wind won't they?
Spent mushroom soil does not grow mushrooms, at least I have never seen any. They sterilize the soil before they inoculate it with spores of the mushroom that they wish to grow and they harvest them young before they open their gills and release spores. When you buy fresh mushrooms, you always look for young ones that are not showing open gills so I know that they are packaged before the gills are open in the mushroom house.
Spent mushroom soil has been a very nice amendment to my garden soil and compost pile.
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Post by lilolpeapicker on Jul 6, 2015 9:26:11 GMT -5
I never noticed anything about the gills. You can tell that by looking at the ?underside? I just buy the size I want and the cleaner the better.
You would till that soil into your garden? There was a man at the farmers market selling mushrooms and he said he just gets rid of the soil. Is it once it is used they don't reuse it, ya think?
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Post by brownrexx on Jul 6, 2015 9:36:52 GMT -5
The gills are the dark colored part under the cap. In high school Biology class we showed students how to see the spores by having them put a mushroom cap, gills down, on a sheet of white paper. In a couple of days the gills will open and you can see the spores that fell out onto the paper.
Nice, fresh mushrooms still have their gills closed. It is as they age that the gills will open which is why you want to buy the ones where the gills are nice and tightly closed.
I think that they mushroom houses only use the soil one time and then they discard it but it's great for gardeners. Here is an excerpt from a paper written by someone at Penn State. They had the soil tested in their Ag lab (where I get my soil tests done) and the NPK content is about 1:1:1 but it also contains micronutrients and lots of OM.
The average organic matter content of fresh mushroom compost is 26 percent (wet weight). Fresh mushroom compost is an excellent source of organic matter, which represents a pool of plant nutrients to be slowly released over time. Also, due to the high organic matter and carbon content, fresh mushroom compost would be extremely useful to amend soils low in organic matter and nutrient availability, especially sand-based soils.
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Post by kimmsr🕊 on Jul 7, 2015 6:49:30 GMT -5
Mushrooms grow when conditions are right for them. A soil with an abundance of organic matter and sufficient moisture will usually produce them. I have found, over the years, that a 9 Iron works quite well at getting rid of any unwanted mushrooms growing in the lawn.
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Post by lilolpeapicker on Jul 7, 2015 8:27:28 GMT -5
lol, kimmsr🕊. Not having a set myself, I will have to ask my bro to use his.
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Post by Tomato Z on Jul 7, 2015 8:35:42 GMT -5
Thanks, Brown, for info I never knew about mushrooms. I've read about raising your own mushrooms in the garage, etc., but never even thought about having to use new soil repeatedly.
I'll just stick with the grocery stores.
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Post by brownrexx on Jul 7, 2015 8:44:19 GMT -5
I'll just stick with the grocery stores. Me too, when I think about how much space it would take to grow a meal's worth of mushrooms, I decided that I'll leave growing mushrooms to the "professionals".
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Post by Mumsey on Jul 7, 2015 9:38:23 GMT -5
Toadstools all over our yard with the wet season. Even in the sun! When it dries out, they will disappear. I just ignore them.
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Post by James on Jul 7, 2015 10:20:13 GMT -5
Mumsey has it right, just ignore them.
Mushrooms are on my list of non-foods. I never eat them unless they happen to come on something I ordered at a restaurant. Far as I am concerned, no flavor, no food value, why bother? For sure never pick and eat one found growing in your garden or yard. Most are poisonous.
Be careful ought there - the list of experts on edible wild mushrooms gets shorter every year.
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Post by desertwoman on Jul 7, 2015 10:33:02 GMT -5
I just let them compost in place. I figure people buy bagged mushroom compost- I have bits of it for free. (not that we get a lot of mushrooms growing, but when it does rain significantly, they pop out.)
They dry out pretty quickly and disappear.
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Post by brownrexx on Jul 7, 2015 11:03:32 GMT -5
Far as I am concerned, no flavor, no food value, why bother?
Not true. Not only do I think that they taste good but they contain Vitamins D, B2, B3, antioxidents, fiber, the trace mineral selenium, and virtually no fat. I remember reading somewhere that mushrooms are the only fruit or vegetable that contains Vitamin D.
Not the ones in the yard BTW, I am referring to the edible ones!
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Post by johnrf on Jul 7, 2015 12:24:00 GMT -5
I pick Morels in my yard whenever they appear. Some years we get none, or just don't come across them. We have had years when we got maybe 20-30. Mushrooms are very good for you and Morels are one of the easiest to spot. I have a friend who is very knowledgeable about mushrooms and has delighted me with many different kinds he's found. Never eat a mushroom unless you are positive that you, or whoever is giving it to you, know what you or they are doing. Morels are the only one I'm confident with picking in the wild.
But the same friend has taught me how to grow shitake mushrooms on logs. They are much meatier than those available at the supermarket. My friend claims that usually the ones at the supermarket were grown on soil rather than a log.
Both Morels and Shitakes dry easily and are very good reconstituted.
One more word of wisdom: Never eat wild mushrooms raw, always cook them.
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Post by johnrf on Jul 7, 2015 12:30:20 GMT -5
No Food Value?:
Mushrooms are a good source of B vitamins, including riboflavin, niacin, and pantothenic acid, which help to provide energy by breaking down proteins, fats and carbohydrates 2. B vitamins also play an important role in the nervous system. Pantothenic acid helps with the production of hormones and also plays an important role in the nervous system 2.Riboflavin helps maintain healthy red blood cells 2.Niacin promotes healthy skin and makes sure the digestive and nervous systems function properly 2. Mushrooms are also a source of important minerals: Selenium is a mineral that works as an antioxidant to protect body cells from damage that might lead to heart disease, some cancers and other diseases of aging 2. It also has been found to be important for the immune system and fertility in men 3. Many foods of animal origin and grains are good sources of selenium, but mushrooms are among the richest sources of selenium in the produce aisle and provide 8-22 mcg per serving 4. This is good news for vegetarians, whose sources of selenium are limited.Ergothioneine is a naturally occurring antioxidant that also may help protect the body’s cells. Mushrooms provide 2.8-4.9 mg of ergothioneine per serving of white, portabella or crimini mushrooms 5.Copper helps make red blood cells, which carry oxygen throughout the body. Copper also helps keep bones and nerves healthy 2.Potassium is an important mineral many people do not get enough of. It aids in the maintenance of normal fluid and mineral balance, which helps control blood pressure. It also plays a role in making sure nerves and muscles, including the heart, function properly 2. Mushrooms have 98-376 mg of potassium per 84 gram serving, which is 3-11 percent of the Daily Value4. Beta-glucans, found in numerous mushroom species, have shown marked immunity-stimulating effects, contribute to resistance against allergies and may also participate in physiological processes related to the metabolism of fats and sugars in the human body. The beta-glucans contained in oyster, shiitake and split gill mushrooms are considered to be the most effective .
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Post by Mumsey on Jul 7, 2015 12:44:24 GMT -5
johnrf, you are so right! Morels are the only wild ones I will eat also. Very easy to identify and are only available for the picking during May.
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