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Post by tbird on Jun 11, 2015 8:45:36 GMT -5
So - I am very stoked for the fall garden. I have sometimes tried, and failed, because of space issues and unwilling to let go of the summer plants.... This year, I will dedicate the space. Brown and I are going to do cabbages, following her fool-proof methods. (hopefully, tbird proof too! ) I do want to some eliot coleman-esque type things, just cold frames in the raised bed, either made or purchased. On a related note, on the spinach discussion about priming seeds and all - I was thinking that maybe planting in early winter for spring germination was a good idea...... so fall garden lettuce peas brassicas - kale, cabbage, tatsoi, brussel sprouts, turnips, et al. maybe rutabagas? beets spinach what else? When to start seed? when to plant out? what are your time frames?
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Post by brownrexx on Jun 11, 2015 9:09:14 GMT -5
OK, this is why I keep garden notes. I just checked last year's notes and I planted my cabbage and Brussels sprout seedlings on August 4. I didn't write down the harvest date but it should have been about the middle of October (65 days after planting).
Rutabaga seeds were direct planted on August 4 and harvested on Nov 1 although they could have been mulched and left in the ground longer.
If you like turnips or radishes, they grow well in the Fall too. All of my Fall cole crops taste better than my spring ones because they are sweeter and we like that.
My Fall peas produced better than my Spring peas and I planted them on Aug 4 as well. I had a note to plant them in full sun next year. I had planted them in partial shade and they developed some powdery mildew although I was still able to harvest a good crop.
I will remind you when I am starting my seeds so you won't be able to forget this year!
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Post by tbird on Jun 11, 2015 9:10:57 GMT -5
I will remind you when I am starting my seeds so you won't be able to forget this year! lol! you know me so well!
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Post by brownrexx on Jun 11, 2015 9:15:02 GMT -5
Note to tbird - buy some tulle netting at the fabric store or online NOW so that you have your netting ready for when we plant our cabbages. Buy the widest material that you can find. I think that mine is 56" wide. If you wait a few days after planting the butterflies can lay their eggs on your plants while you are shopping for the netting and then the worms will develop under your netting.
Look around your area for some discarded bricks too and pick up several in preparation for holding down the netting.
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Post by lilolpeapicker on Jun 11, 2015 9:32:10 GMT -5
I am doing parsnip for fall as well...and I have kale now and that usually goes way into fall too. I will direct sow rutabaga and beets after the peas about mid July. PS I have started brussel sprouts for the fall to put in the garden the last of July or early August.
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Post by desertwoman on Jun 11, 2015 10:30:21 GMT -5
I've not done a fall garden in years. Now days I am so ready for a break by fall that I just enjoy the lingering tomatoes,, the kale and swiss chard and wait eagerly for the pumpkins to be harvested.
But I do plant my garlic for the next year!
I'll live vicariously through you ambitious ones!
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Post by davidjp on Jun 11, 2015 11:24:30 GMT -5
Here you're supposed to get everything seeded in August but its always a struggle to keep seedlings watered in seed trays when its hovering around 100. Usually start brassicas in September
Sprouting broccoli, about 3-4 types of kale
Onions in November
Peas, lettuces salads and other cool season crops in between that
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Post by Mumsey on Jun 11, 2015 17:32:38 GMT -5
Like DW, I am ready to move on to other things by Fall!
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Post by lilolpeapicker on Jun 11, 2015 17:43:15 GMT -5
I usually do likewise, not doing much of fall planning but this year it seems I want to hang onto what I can while I have it.
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Post by pepperhead212 on Jun 11, 2015 19:52:05 GMT -5
I still have a large amount of my spring crop growing - the same things I'll be growing in the fall garden. In less than a month I'll be harvesting my garlic and shallots, then I'll 'till some compost into that double row, and that's where my fall greens will go. Eventually, the back section will go under cover, and hopefully I'll get a harvest throughout the winter. The kohlrabi and lettuce gets planted in the front, as those don't do well under cover in intense cold.
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Post by brownrexx on Jun 11, 2015 20:09:39 GMT -5
I am so ready for a break by fall that I just enjoy the lingering tomatoes But this year you will be picking bushels of dry beans in your "Bean Field". I was still harvesting some of mine after frost last year.
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Post by desertwoman on Jun 11, 2015 21:14:13 GMT -5
Oh that's exciting to think about. My crop was small last year- a test crop- so they were done by mid September.
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Post by gulfcoastguy on Jun 11, 2015 22:14:11 GMT -5
My peppers will keep on bearing until frost. We'll probably add some turnips and mustard but root crops don't do well in that garden. What I wish was that I could still find seeds for "Kuta" squash like Parks seed used to carry. I know that they are a hybrid but they do fantastic in our area but only in a fall garden, they can't take the late spring heat. I'd like to plant some kale but I'd be planting at my Dad's house. He hates kale and Mom can't eat it due to taking Plavix.
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Post by tbird on Jun 12, 2015 6:42:05 GMT -5
The kohlrabi and lettuce gets planted in the front, as those don't do well under cover in intense cold. sorry - I'm a bit confused. what does planted in the front mean and how does that help them? is it closer to the sunshine, so warmer?
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Post by pepperhead212 on Jun 12, 2015 9:17:06 GMT -5
I just plant those, and any others I won't be covering in the front, or the first 12 - 15 ft. of the double row. The "back" of the row gets a hoop house raised over it, as these are the varieties I have found that will keep growing during the winter - the "cut and come again" Asian varieties, bok choy, komatsuna, senposai, tatsoi, zen tatsoi, and mizuna. Nothing special about the front of the row, except to keep them separate.
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