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Post by wargarden2017 on Aug 25, 2022 13:27:06 GMT -5
has anyone started planning their 2023 vegetable garden. will be post my plan soon. i look forward to you feedback.
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Post by Wheelgarden on Aug 25, 2022 13:46:34 GMT -5
I've got seventeen beds, and I'll do them pretty much the same...with the exception of rotating the current tomato beds to the current beans and greens beds, and vice-versa. All subject to change-of-mind, of course.
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Post by datgirl on Aug 25, 2022 15:05:27 GMT -5
Not really planning yet, but thinking of what I want to change from this year.
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Post by emmsmommy on Aug 25, 2022 15:41:59 GMT -5
I can't believe there's already a post about 2023 and I didn't start it! No specific plans for the individual beds but several varieties I really liked and will increase next year. I guess the only concrete plan I have is to net the brassicas as constantly spraying Bt is a pain.
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Post by desertwoman on Aug 25, 2022 16:00:19 GMT -5
I haven't even started harvesting 2022 tomatoes yet and the chiles are just starting to be ready! So no plans for 2023 yet. The most planning I will do in the near future, for next years is to decide where the garlic is going when I plant in October. The rest will happen after the first of the year.
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Post by gianna on Aug 25, 2022 17:36:49 GMT -5
I've been thinking about it in general terms, but nothing specific yet. Along the lines of 'more of this', 'less of that'.... A lot of what I do will depend on how much rain we get this winter, and if the drought improves or gets worse.
I probably will use more of the beds in the back for veggies however since in past droughts, people who walk by seem to not approve of gardens, even ones watered with saved rain or gray water, etc. I'll probably reduce the numbers of annual flowers in front too.
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Post by pepperhead212 on Aug 25, 2022 18:00:44 GMT -5
Certain things I've always crossed of the list by now, when they don't make it, one way or another, and fewer that are keepers. But I haven't started making a list, or mapping out the garden, or anything like that.
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Post by gardendmpls on Aug 26, 2022 1:54:13 GMT -5
When planning in general I take into account what the family likes and dislikes (no point growing what nobody eats), what varieties grow well in my climate and soil, the amount of work I am capable of doing (which includes things like canning), the amount of each plant I can use, space available, flavor and so forth. Everyone's garden will be different because everyone's needs and resources are different, so guidelines for planning should mention that this is the part that must be thought out.
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Post by gardendmpls on Aug 26, 2022 1:58:48 GMT -5
people who walk by seem to not approve of gardens Since when have we cared about that.
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Post by raphanus on Aug 26, 2022 6:35:38 GMT -5
I always plant spinach seeds on Christmas Day, but they usually don’t sprout until the second week of January, so I guess they count as 2023 garden 😂. I did direct seed for half and greenhouse transplants for half last year, saw no difference in yield between the two, but the greenhouse one’s did grow faster the first couple weeks, but by the first harvest, there was no difference. They did quite well in a raised bed in the shade. I don’t eat much spinach, so instead of a 8x4 raised bed, I’m just going to do a few plants in pots. Have seed for about ten varieties from good ol bloomsdale to matador, america, and a few other newer varieties. Red Kitten is definitely the most vigorous, but doesn’t taste as good imo.
My front yard (full sun) was squash in the spring and is now flowers. I’ll probably replace the flowers with either cabbages or rye grass around Thanksgiving.
All my fabric pots in the side yard (part sun) are currently peppers. Last winter they were carrots and lettuce and onions, so this winter they need to be something from a different family, maybe mustard or kale or beets.
The backyard is all deep shade most of the year, it gets a small amount of sun in winter when a lot of the trees lose their leaves. Last winter, the backyard was all spinach and collards, this year it might be peas and carrots and leeks.
Crop rotation is tough when you only have a really small amount of space and have three distinct environments (sun, part sun, and deep shade).
Either way, I’m glad cooler weather is coming, my garden always looks way nice in the winter and is usually more productive in the winter as well.
For spring of 2023, I’ll probably start trays of peppers and tomatoes indoors under LED lights again, planting the seeds the last week of December or first week of January. Every single year I saw I’ve learned my lesson about trying to grow old heirloom sandwhich slicer tomatoes in a tropical environment (Don’t do it!) and focus on modern disease resistant F1s and cherry types. I still grew some green German Giant and some White Tomasol and some beefsteak this year and they all did terrible as expected. The F1 RomaVertFusRes. I grew did quite well but still got bacterial disease mid and late season. Only cherries this coming year!
For peppers, I’m not doing 100+ plants of 20+ varieties again, I’ll probably just grow shishito, banana, chocolate bells, Marconi, purple bells, and maybe a tabasco plant. The Pageant F2 were ridiculously sweet but got a lot of diseases so won’t be growing those again. The poblanos didn’t yield well. I guess I need to grow the purple cayennes again next year because they are pretty, but overall want to scale down numbers and focus more on shishitos. I’ve been saving seed for five or six years now and some of them no longer even look like shishitos, they’ve gotten much larger and seem to remain green longer with more uneven ripening, I like the yields though.
Also every year I swear I’ll never grow corn again and then I do.
I didn’t do much peas or beans last year, so definitely want to do more peas and beans in 2023. Would love to grow blue peas if I can find seed. I have some butterbean (Lima types) seed I’d love to grow, they are pole types with superior flavor.
I’d like to maybe do more onions than I did this year. I think I planted two 50 cell trays of onion seed in 2022 but only actually harvested about 25 good sized onions, most got outcompeted.
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Post by gianna on Aug 26, 2022 13:46:47 GMT -5
Since when have we cared about that. Most people over the years have been very interested in my garden and I've had many nice chats with folks. I've given away produce and flowers to cordial walkers-by. I live on what I call a 'walking hill'. It's a dead end, with more people on foot than cars, quiet, and nice views of the Pacific. But in a drought the reactions are noticeably different. It's not the garden per se they may be judging, but rather the use of water. I feel the same way when I see a really green lawn. It's more of a 'we are all supposed to be helping' vibe. It's not really a big deal - I know I conserve, it's just more enjoyable in these really dry times to garden in the backyard.
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Post by raphanus on Aug 26, 2022 16:02:53 GMT -5
I understand judgement of lawns and pools and fountains and car washes in arid deserts, but I can’t imagine why anyone would be upset about an edible garden. Buying food from the store uses just as much or more water as growing food at home. Watering a garden doesn’t “waste” water, and can in fact help with water conservation by providing plants to shade the soil surface and provide habitat for beneficial soil microbiology which helps conserve soil moisture.
I farmed in the Mojave desert for a little bit when I was younger, and we tried that permaculture technique where you “green the desert” by bringing in lots of mulch and organic matter and planting different layers of drought tolerant plants starting with hardy ground covers and native trees and filling in with low water use fruit trees and drought tolerant shrubs and vegetables, it creates a cooler shadier microclimate and increases humidity. We had luck burying drip tape irrigation lines and covering everything in cardboard or mulch. But even then, there were restrictions on what days we were allowed to water our crops….. yet we could drive two hours to LA and see lush green lawns in front of million dollar houses with pools, which was frustrating. Now I farm in the complete opposite environment, coastal swampland, and have too much rain and frequent flooding, go figure.
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Post by pepperhead212 on Aug 26, 2022 22:35:05 GMT -5
Well, one way I'm planning my 2023 season, and helping someone (somewhere else) do theirs this year. I'm sending out their seeds tomorrow - like I told them, no hurry for mine, because it's a Hawaiian pepper, which will be for next season.
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Post by emmsmommy on Aug 27, 2022 0:39:59 GMT -5
Some definites for next year are Ten Fingers of Naples and Hungarian Heart tomatoes. What's odd is that I was only growing Hungarian Heart as a second chance crop as it performed horribly last year and I didn't get one tomato from it. Ten Fingers of Naples has been producing for over a month while San Marzano has just started ripening. I attribute the difference in part to getting the San Marzano planted later but will continue to grow them again as well as they're a bigger paste tomato. Also more broccoli as my harvest only produced a meals worth.
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Post by heirloomfan on Aug 30, 2022 15:34:14 GMT -5
I always keep notes starting in January through the end of each year and this helps me remember a lot of details for everything I grow. I also start a shopping list for any seed I run out of or one that I want to try for next year. This year everything was off to a good start and then almost lost my seedlings when I potted them up in bigger containers using some bagged soil. It was a brand I used for several years with no issues but the quality was very poor this year. So next spring my plan will be to test plant a seedling or two to make sure the soil I’m using is good before doing the whole batch. Don’t know the reason for the sudden bad quality to the soil other than the company was cutting corners due to supply issues and what they substituted was inferior.
Also have had a couple of very windy early springs so next year what I set out will have row covers for a while until the windy weather is done. Had a lot of heat and intense sun this year too so might check into some shade cloth next year as well.
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