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Post by Mumsey on Dec 24, 2019 11:54:03 GMT -5
Stay tuned. It's coming to America. Growing right now on a farm in Indiana, first harvest in September 2020. That's not to say it won't be imported from other sources before then. newfoodeconomy.org/fda-aquabounty-gmo-salmon-seafood-restriction-market/I had a bad time looking for salmon yesterday. The most likely store would be HyVee. They had farm raised only. Went to Natural Grocers. None. I was hell bent on not buying farm raised. I went to another HyVee across town. Found the same farm raised Atlantic salmon (from Chile). They also had frozen sides of Alaskan wild caught salmon. I chose that option. What should have been a 2 hr trip was nearly 4 hrs. The fish market in that area is not open on Mondays. Got cedar planks to grill it on. We have never grilled on Christmas before! Taking advantage of the warm weather. Messing with these genes is like putting genes from a dog in people and expecting us to bark instead of talk! An exaggeration, that would never happen. But what comes next? It's a scary thing. |
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Post by gardendmpls on Dec 24, 2019 22:37:40 GMT -5
They put fish genes of one edible fish into another fish. If they are farmed on land as currently required (hatchery in Iowa, but no mention of where fish farms are located), there should not be a problem with contaminating wild stocks.
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Post by reuben on Dec 25, 2019 6:38:35 GMT -5
As much as I like South America in general and Chile in particular, buying salmon from there is problematic. They have offshore pens where the salmon are kept (until they break out). They're fed pellets of something. Infections and diseases are quickly passed among the fish, they all crap in the same place (which causes its own set of problems), and then the pens are moved to another area. It's not a good system.
"Farm raised" fish is typically a nice sounding name for a bad thing. Look at the U.S. (we're already doing it), Norway, Japan, Chile, and other places. Nothing good comes of it. As you can see in the movie below, what sounds good and looks good on the surface (literally), has all sorts of problems underneath.
I may have posted this before, but it's sort of a natural for this thread. www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdNJ0JAwT7I&feature=youtu.be |
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Post by lilolpeapicker on Jan 12, 2020 8:47:05 GMT -5
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Post by Mumsey on Nov 21, 2020 5:01:23 GMT -5
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Post by lilolpeapicker on Nov 21, 2020 13:24:15 GMT -5
Mumsey, gardendmpls, reuben, lilolpeapicker, Makes me sick just to read about that. As the arcticle states it is done for money. I am sure there are many who do not understand what a GMO is. But for me the reading I have done says that the fish are in crowded conditions swimming in their excrement. So it wouldn't surprise me if the fish have to be bathed in chlorine or feed antibiotics as meat often are. Turns me off. But I am glad to see the oversight.
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Post by Mumsey on Nov 24, 2020 5:22:58 GMT -5
Is there ever any other reason in the business world? That basic reason can be called greed. |
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Post by gardendmpls on Nov 24, 2020 8:58:58 GMT -5
That basic reason can be called greed. Or it could be called making an honest living. To call it greed is assuming that the people doing it think what they are doing is bad and do it anyway. Just because they have a different point of view does not make them evil or greedy. They may feel that they are providing a good, inexpensive source of protein to people who need it. |
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Post by davidjp on Dec 7, 2020 17:07:30 GMT -5
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Post by SpringRain🕊️ on Dec 7, 2020 19:15:42 GMT -5
Interesting indeed, especially the issues which are still in a state of resolution, as well the issue of increasing the carbon footprint. I saw no mention though of whether or not this affects naturally born and maturing salmon, specifically continued population of the species. I assume the pen or factory farmed salmon wouldn't be raised for reproducing, so that creates another issue which I think is relevant to the salmon's drive to reproduce: returning home to spawn. A major event of salmon life would be eliminated. OTOH, this might compare with farm raised animals raised solely for market, but they can reproduce and continue to live whereas with salmon it becomes a life terminating event.
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Post by gardendmpls on Dec 7, 2020 23:51:44 GMT -5
I assume the pen or factory farmed salmon wouldn't be raised for reproducing, so that creates another issue which I think is relevant to the salmon's drive to reproduce: returning home to spawn. A lot of fish eggs are fertilized and hatched in fish hatcheries. If not released in rivers as fingerlings, they will not consider the rivers the place to go back to. They are released in the fish farm instead, and spend their lives there. Most likely harvested before sexually mature, but if some were allowed to fully mature (takes a number of years), their eggs could be taken and fertilized in hatcheries. If they are GMO fish, it would make more sense to breed the ones that already have the gene than spend all the money to redo the genetic work every time. Will have to read up on it more later. I was once considering raising tilapia in the garage until I remembered I don't like to eat tilapia. Many of the problems with fish farming could be dealt with using good animal husbandry, which means having clearly delineated rules and inspection/enforcement. |
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Post by Mumsey on Dec 8, 2020 5:38:15 GMT -5
From what I read the GMO salmon cannot reproduce. They are rendered sterile in the process.
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