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Olives
Dec 5, 2019 21:55:24 GMT -5
Post by Wheelgarden on Dec 5, 2019 21:55:24 GMT -5
I started craving olives (again), and then I wondered how many of you folks might have experience with growing olives. I don't think my clime would accomodate them, but if anyone in a zone 7 or 8 area gets away with it, I'd like to know. Love olives --- green, or stuffed, or pickled, but especially dark and ripe. Wish I could grow them here. Between me, the kid, and the grandkids they don't last long.
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Post by gianna on Dec 5, 2019 22:57:36 GMT -5
I'm in zone 10 so of course they grow here.  They are a common landscaping plant here. These days however there is a major problem when growing olives - the olive fly maggot. Or something like that. It is a fly that lays eggs in the fruit, and when the fruits are ready, so are the maggots. In my part of the world they are a real problem, and I believe they are also problems in most if not all major olive growing regions. There are sprays and treatments, but they require constant, careful application, and are not always effective. When making olive oil the problem with the maggots are caused not only by the maggots within the fruits themselves, but their burrowing causes tissues of the fruit to decay and give the expressed oil an off taste - bitter and rancid. Processors don't like to extract oil from fruits with over 30 percent 'infection' rate. As for growing olives to process not for oil, but for the fruits, it is not easy. Even if you can avoid the olive fly maggots. I did it years ago before the fly's arrival, and the results were not very good. These days there would be more info available on the internet so you might have a better chance of success.
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Olives
Dec 6, 2019 9:21:10 GMT -5
Post by tom π on Dec 6, 2019 9:21:10 GMT -5
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Olives
Dec 6, 2019 13:25:25 GMT -5
Post by tom π on Dec 6, 2019 13:25:25 GMT -5
the olive fly maggot. Or something like that. The olive fruit fly. I did not know about this pest. I suppose they have been a problem as long as people have grown olive trees.
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Olives
Dec 6, 2019 18:06:27 GMT -5
Post by breezygardener on Dec 6, 2019 18:06:27 GMT -5
I've been drooling over the idea of growing an olive tree in a large tub for years now, & this is the site where I do the most drooling. You'd be surprised at the hardiness levels of some of the varieties. www.groworganic.com/search?q=olives
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Post by gianna on Dec 7, 2019 1:14:18 GMT -5
The olive fruit fly. I did not know about this pest. I suppose they have been a problem as long as people have grown olive trees. They are a relatively recent introduction to California. The big problem here is that olive trees are major ornamentals in people's yards, and as street trees, as well as trees in vacant fields grown from falling fruits. And most of these are not treated for the olive fly. Most of these trees are not grown for their fruits, but rather for the attractive, evergreen, gray 'lacy' foliage. Hence they are not treated for the fly. And in my area, the few people who try to grow the trees for the fruits are fighting a losing battle to try to control it. You can tell which fruits are affected because they have a lumpy appearance as the maggot burrows it's way though the fleshy parts. Quite ugly looking. And when you break the olive open, it's all 'icky' inside. www.oliveoilsource.com/page/olive-fly-control
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Olives
Dec 7, 2019 10:15:13 GMT -5
Post by tom π on Dec 7, 2019 10:15:13 GMT -5
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Olives
Dec 7, 2019 10:21:14 GMT -5
Post by tom π on Dec 7, 2019 10:21:14 GMT -5
I started craving olives (again) I remember this from early childhood. Olives, though always available at grocery stores, are not a traditional food in this area. We were having a meal at my grandmother's, and she had olives on the table. An uncle said, "Olives are an acquired taste." I do not remember having an olive until I was an adult.
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Olives
Dec 7, 2019 10:38:52 GMT -5
Post by tom π on Dec 7, 2019 10:38:52 GMT -5
You can tell which fruits are affected because they have a lumpy appearance as the maggot burrows it's way though the fleshy parts. Quite ugly looking. And when you break the olive open, it's all 'icky' inside. A good link. Control is so difficult that persons with ornamental olives aren't going to do it.
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Olives
Dec 7, 2019 14:26:04 GMT -5
Post by Wheelgarden on Dec 7, 2019 14:26:04 GMT -5
tom π , we're in NW GA, originally from East TN, and have always had boughten olives around. Both my Grandmothers were very fond of them, and passed it along to all succeeding generations. Both my Grandsons will eat olives until you have to stop them.
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Olives
Dec 7, 2019 14:33:15 GMT -5
Post by tom π on Dec 7, 2019 14:33:15 GMT -5
have always had boughten olives around These were the olives stuffed with red sweet pepper? They are pretty like a Christmas decoration. Reminds me of pimento cheese.
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Olives
Dec 7, 2019 14:38:11 GMT -5
Post by Wheelgarden on Dec 7, 2019 14:38:11 GMT -5
They were/are the green pimento-stuffed olives, tom π, as well as ripe unpitted dark ones. I like the dark ones the best.
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Olives
Dec 7, 2019 15:35:19 GMT -5
Post by tom π on Dec 7, 2019 15:35:19 GMT -5
Aren't the dark ones usually pitted?
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Post by desertwoman on Dec 7, 2019 15:45:25 GMT -5
What is life without olives?!!
When I was in high school all the kids would stop at the donut shop while walking home from school. I would go next door and buy a small jar of the green, pimento stuffed olives.
Nowadays I go to the olive bar at Whole Foods and buy all kinds- from spicy mixed kalamata and green olives, to those dark oily and wrinkly french olives, plain kalamata; some are stuffed with small garlic cloves or feta cheese or tiny onions; some are mixed with cranberries; and much more. They come pitted and with pits. It's an olive lovers paradise!
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Post by breezygardener on Dec 7, 2019 17:27:36 GMT -5
Aren't the dark ones usually pitted? The only dark olives that are always pitted are the good old California black olives, which frankly are the most boring of the bunch - although I fondly remember them as always being a part of both restaurant & my grandmother's relish trays (along with celery sticks, radish roses, etc.) many years ago. Real olive fans are much more likely to enjoy any of the dozens of unpitted variety - green &/or black - jarred or from your local supermarket olive bar. The only ones I frequently buy pitted are Greek Kalamata olives & Italian Castelvetrano olives because I use them so frequently in cooking.
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