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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 19:59:10 GMT -5
I am very proud that I eat healthy now.. Well not totally healthy but all natural and local. If I didn't grow it an organic farmer near me did. Tonight's dinner - Fresh Pork chops, Fried potatoes with onion, and boiled carrots with my homemade butter.
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Post by brownrexx on Aug 7, 2015 9:01:05 GMT -5
That looks wonderful! You should post in the "What's for Dinner" thread. We love seeing tasty looking meals and getting ideas.
If you don't read that thread - you should. I have gotten some really good ideas there and the pictures (yours included!)look better than restaurant food.
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Post by lilolpeapicker on Aug 7, 2015 20:02:12 GMT -5
Here is a video about Monsanto but I warn you it is very long. I could not watch all of it at one time but keep coming back to finish it up. And I will do that. youtu.be/8FGGlSvt0U4
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2015 17:52:14 GMT -5
Cool I'll start posting in the dinner thread. Thanks for the video! I'll watch it as soon as I get some free time.
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Post by claude on Aug 9, 2015 15:30:23 GMT -5
PA Organic, I love science..I love finding out interesting things about life that I did not know before. Glyphosate --most of the testing on this product was done by the very company that sells it. Anyone else who says something negative is using "bad science" or labeled a nut. There is a revolving door between the EPB and corporate staff at Monsanto...they establish themselves at M...move over to the EPA establish guidelines and then go back to M with a sizable raise. Roundup ready crops were pushed thru under GAAS...generally accepted as safe..because they had been used in M labs without quick dramatic loss over a short term use. Initially they were thought to REDUCE the use of roundup but the reverse is true..a walk down home depo garden center will have you choking the Nasty smell of products stacked ceiling high with roundup. The testing on the product was done WITHOUT the inert products in the mixture that is sold. These ingredients increase the effects significantly. No one has touched upon the problem with SOIL doused year after year, with synthetic nitrogen products...the soil is becoming depleted because in nature what grows out of the soil is returned to the soil. There is a movement with some farmers who have decided to stop applying synthetic fertilizers and instead use manure, compost to rebuild the soil after growing crops with great success and improvement in yield. We have always had hybrids..where you cannot save seed. But these GMO crops require farmers to repurchase seed every year..and sign a contract that states that they will not save seed. Meanwhile there has been a reduction of varieties, a monopoly kind of buyout of existing seed sellers..leaving VERY FEW heirloom dealers. This makes me feel uneasy. Nature always finds a way..we should have learned that with invasives that we actually introduced thinking they would be a panacea ...and over time have instead harmed or eliminated other species. I just don't think that GMO's were independently tested long enough.
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Post by claude on Aug 9, 2015 15:40:35 GMT -5
Oh, the testing for glyphosate? I don't use lawn products..I had very low levels of nitrogen in my well when last tested..HOWEVER if I worked in landscaping or agriculture where they used those products I would test to make sure my levels weren't increasing over time. I grow a majority of my own seasonal foods..buy organic and eat very little conventionally grown products..since over 80% of corn is GMO and things like corn starch, sugar beet are additives in almost all processed foods..you cannot escape them completely.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 15:52:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the info claude That gives me a lot to research.
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Post by claude on Aug 11, 2015 5:55:02 GMT -5
Two graphs posted that might be of interest re: looking for evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 22:37:41 GMT -5
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Post by brownrexx on Aug 18, 2015 7:29:56 GMT -5
So how do you feel about GMO's now? Are they the answer to feeding the world?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 12:04:39 GMT -5
I still say give really poor third world places the option to have GMOs but they should not be in any country with the ability to produce natural food. I know if I was a poor starving child I wouldn't care if I was eating GMOs. fortunately I'm in the USA and have an abundance of food that is not GMO. I'm not saying we are better or more deserving of good food. I'm saying GMO food is better then starving to death.
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Post by desertwoman on Aug 18, 2015 12:18:04 GMT -5
The issue isn't food supply. And it isn't economics.There's enough food to feed everyone on this planet. Affordably.
The issue is political. Change that and everyone will have enough to eat without using GMO's.
I have to ask, however, how we can let it be OK to foist GMO's on "really poor third world places"? It's what we did with DDT a few decades ago and look at how that turned out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 12:32:05 GMT -5
I'm just saying my personal opinion... If I was starving to death I would not have a problem eating GMOs. I'm not saying its right or a good thing.
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Post by brownrexx on Aug 18, 2015 14:16:56 GMT -5
Your opinion is different than mine but I am glad that you have been able to see a few different viewpoints.
I think that growing chemically dependent crops with no diversity is a recipe for a future disaster and then these poor countries will have no back up crops and famine may result.
Spraying all of these chemicals onto the soil (Roundup ready crops) is causing the soil to become more fragile and devoid of life. Serious erosion is already happening in the Midwest after heavy storms. I am thinking that GMO's may feed starving children today but cause a famine tomorrow due to the loss of fertile soil. It's a Doomsday scenario.
This is not a black and white issue. There is lots to consider.
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Post by lilolpeapicker on Aug 19, 2015 8:28:53 GMT -5
And did you see the autism and other problem statistics by Stephanie Seneff, Ph.D.; Nancy Swanson, Ph.D.; Shiv Chopra, Ph.D.; John Balatinecz, Ph.D. You would have no trouble eating gmos knowing this?
…the US Centers for Disease Control released a new report stating that the prevalence of autism is now one in 68, up 30% since the reported estimate of one in 88 two years ago. (Our current rate of autism in the U.S. is 1 in 50) The rate was one in 10,000 in 1970.
…The recent dramatic increase in the rates of autism cannot be explained on the basis of genetics alone, so there must also be significant environmental contributions.
One of us (Dr. Stephanie Seneff) has considerable direct research experience concerning autism and its probable environmental causes. About seven years ago she became very alarmed by the strong evidence of an increase in autism rates in the US and, in collaboration with Mr. Anthony Samsel and Dr. Nancy Swanson, she decided to systematically investigate possible links with environmental toxins. Dr. Swanson has shown extremely strong correlations between glyphosate usage on corn and soy crops in the US and the increasing incidence of autism, along with obesity, diabetes, Parkinson’s disease, Alzheimer’s, senile dementia and others. Correlation does not necessarily mean causation, but when statistically significant correlation coefficients of over 0.95 are calculated for a list of diseases that can be directly linked to glyphosate, via its known biological effects, it would be foolish not to consider causation as the most plausible explanation of the correlations."
It is all political and monetary.
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