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Post by lilolpeapicker on Mar 27, 2015 17:17:01 GMT -5
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Post by kimmsr🕊 on May 24, 2015 5:58:09 GMT -5
A couple of years ago I received a note from our counties road commission that they planned on spraying the roadside to control the "Weeds" because that was less expensive than mowing. I asked what chemical formula they planned to use and the reply I got indicated the mix included 2,4,D and 2,4,5,T so I wrote back and asked if they were aware that these two chemicals were implicated int he Agent Orange debacle of Viet Nam. No spraying of the roads has occurred as of yet. We need to be very observant about what might be planned because we are starting to get people in positions of authority with no history awareness. Ask people in their 30's about Agent Orange.
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Post by lilolpeapicker on May 24, 2015 6:18:02 GMT -5
So it hasn't been banned or outlawed?
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Post by johng44 on May 24, 2015 15:55:52 GMT -5
As a VN vet., USMC, I can assure you AO is deadly. Not used so much during my tour of duty or in my area of deployment but used extensively in many other areas. VA hospitals are covered with those suffering from its use. I talked to a fellow vet., USA, last week in the grocery store parking lot( I have a state vehicle tag denoting my service and branch & he saw it)he approached me and starting chatting old military stuff and then said he was on his way to VA for more treatments. He said he suffers with lung problems, skin cancer, ischemic heart disease and something else because it was used heavily in his area, thus his exposure. In addition, he said he now belongs to a group of vets with the same problems and they are constantly lobbying for more treatment for vets who have been exposed to this agent. Remember the denials..it was years before the effects were somewhat acknowledge and treatment approved. It has yet to be banned and the latest petition has been turned down by EPA.
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Post by lilolpeapicker on May 24, 2015 20:15:26 GMT -5
That is where this country is so screwed up that the EPA can't even protect the people they were set up to protect
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Post by brownrexx on May 25, 2015 9:18:33 GMT -5
So sad. What's wrong with a few weeds anyway? I have often wondered why they have to either ow or spray the weeds? Why not just whack them down about once a year if they get too tall and they interfere with visibility for drivers??
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Post by kimmsr🕊 on May 26, 2015 6:29:53 GMT -5
Keep in mind that one of the reasons put forth about what is happening to the bees, and other pollinators, is a lack of food sources because we mow and spray them to keep our grounds clean and neat. People are eliminating plants such as Milkweed, and wonder why the Monarch butterflies are not around as much anymore. I have even had some "gardeners" tell me that they do not care that Milkweed is the only plant these Monarchs will lay eggs on because the plant is "ugly".
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Post by brownrexx on May 26, 2015 9:21:23 GMT -5
My neighbor is one who sprays everything on their yard to keep it "perfect" and then they put out bluebird houses. I wonder if they know that bluebirds eat bugs?
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Post by desertwoman on May 26, 2015 9:35:35 GMT -5
Is there a way you could educate them, by pointing out the dichotomy?
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Post by brownrexx on May 26, 2015 10:05:55 GMT -5
Not really. I gave it a try at the neighborhood Christmas party when everyone was discussing which lawn care service to use. They looked at me like I had 2 heads and then continued discussing companies to hire. We all have very large yards and these people pay thousands of dollars annually for lawn "care", not mowing, just the poisoning part. Isn't that unbelievable? I am not kidding. I don't remember the exact figure but it was at least $2000 per year!
The good news is that the neighbor who lived the closest to us moved and sold his house. The new people do NOT treat their lawn as evidenced by the dandelions and clover growing in it. I also noticed yesterday that they planted a garden! Yay, my kind of neighbor!
Isn't it also interesting to spend all of those thousands of dollars on the lawn and one year of not doing it, and the weeds come right back?
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Post by lilolpeapicker on May 26, 2015 12:51:03 GMT -5
Maybe you can be buddies at arms when it comes to this issue. The more voices the better to be heard.
I have a niece and her husband who gets lawn care service also. They also have 1&1/2 yr old and another on the way. I explained to them about lawn care service and to be careful to ask what is being put on their lawn and that anything they put there the kids will be in contact as well as them. I hope I had an impact...the whole family has heard my warnings on the foods they eat...as much as ya can. And I do know they listen...so hopefully they will be more cautious in the lawn care department too.
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Post by claude on May 27, 2015 6:22:49 GMT -5
That 2-d4 was allowed this past fall, over many protests..it went thru as GAAS (generally accepted as safe) which means that it is being used for the glyphosate resistant weeds...the general population actually believes that the EPA is still here to protect them.
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Post by mountshastagarden on May 28, 2015 1:08:21 GMT -5
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Post by claude on May 28, 2015 5:36:46 GMT -5
That was what I thought but it was included in a mixture and it was sold to conventional large growers.
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Post by binnylou on May 28, 2015 6:31:00 GMT -5
the general population actually believes that the EPA is still here to protect them.
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